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- Attachment
2018_Annex 2 Timetable 2018.xlsxadded
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2019_Annex_2_Forum_Cases_2019_Expert_group_decisions.xlsxadded
Kristiina Kahur
- Subject changed from Test_rrrrttt to Further development of NordDRG
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- Priority changed from Minor to Major
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- Description updated (diff)
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- Task type changed from Case to Development initiative
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2023)
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- Author changed from Kristiina Kahur to Mats Fernström
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- Initiator Sweden added
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Nordic Casemix Centre)
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2019_Annex_2_Forum_Cases_2019_Expert_group_decisions.xlsx)
Kristiina Kahur
Updated by Kristiina Kahur 7 months ago
Nordic Casemix Center/Kristiina Kahur 23-2-2022
Thank you Mats for addressing these issues. I suggest adding a separate item in EG Spring meeting agenda (at the end of the second day) to discuss and decide how to proceed. I agree that it would be good to create a working group with representatives from all countries interested in being involved in the change process.
The planned changes can be linked to implementation of ICD11. Nevertheless, in order to disperse the workload, we can priorities certain things which are not directly linked to ICD11 and start to work on those in short(er) run.
Kristiina Kahur
2022-03-18 Expert Group
The issues concerning the further development of NordDRG were discussed during the EG meeting. The summary is attached to this ticket.
In addition to existing tickets (#812 - DGCAT 00M00 in the drg_logic t... , #813 - Changes required in NordDRG to... and #818 ), separate tickets will be created for further issues listed in the summary.
This case remains open for time being.
- Attachment Mapping_ICD_MDC.xlsx v1 added
- Attachment List of development issues discussed in EG Spring meeting 2022.docx v1 added
Mats Fernström
Mats Fernström, the National Board of Health and Welfare, Sweden, 2023-02-21 (SWE ID C927)
In the file “List of development issues discussed in EG Spring meeting 2022.docx” attached to this case (Development initiative) under point 6 (Extra columns in the table drglogic for administrative parameters), and point 7 (Extra columns in the table drglogic for interventions) Kristiina called for a description of the changes. The attached file Appendix #822 - Further development of NordDRG Point 6 & 7.xlsx describes the suggestions, I hope. Extra columns in the table drglogic for administrative parameters (point 6) is rather easy to introduce but if NordDRG is adapted to ICD-11 and ICHI within a few years, both suggestions can wait until that moment as the program code in the groupers then must be updated anyhow.
- Attachment Appendix #822 Point 6 & 7.xlsx added
Kristiina Kahur
2023-03-09 Expert Group
Given that the introduction of ICD11 and ICHI will require changes in NDMS, grouper and def.tables, this change will be done once the actions concerning transision to ICD11 and ICHI will be taken.
Until then, this case remains further active
Kristiina Kahur
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Nordic Casemix Center/Kristiina Kahur 22-1-2025
An update of development issues listed in the initial document is attached to this ticket.
There was in total 15 development issues listed in the document:
- One had been implemented already (#812 - DGCAT 00M00 in the drg_logic t...)
- One had been withdrawn earlier
- Six may require the changes in NordDRG tools (NDMS, grouper or def.tables). Given that there will be likely a need to make changes related to transition to ICD-11 anyway, it would make sense to manage all the necessary changes at once. The issues are listed on #813 - Changes required in NordDRG to....
- One needs additional attention, primarily by Sweden (#818 - Multiple CC will lead to MCC)
- One will be linked to #877 - Managing gender information in...
- Four need to be discussed in EG meeting:
- extra columns in the table drglogic for the patient’s functionality or for severity of illness
- A column in the table drglogic for duration in hours
- Improvement of DRG codes according to Swedish approach
- RTC and ICD columns are redundant in logic table
- One is related to ICD-11
- Change of MDC according to Chapters of ICD10 or ICD11 (the file 'Mapping_ICD_MDC) is attached to this ticket). I suggest it will be discussed in EG meeting.
This case remains open and will be discussed in EG meeting.
- Attachment List of development issues update as of Spring 2025.docx added
Kristiina Kahur
2025-09-02 Expert group
This case was briefly discussed during EG meeting.
For most of originally described development issues separate tickets have been created - #818 - Multiple CC will lead to MCC, #813 - Changes required in NordDRG to..., #877 - Managing gender information in... and #812 - DGCAT 00M00 in the drg_logic t.... (the latter has been closed) and they are discussed in respective ticket.
There are issues like follows which have not been discussed separately:
- Extra columns in the table drglogic for the patient’s functionality or for severity of illness
- A column in the table drglogic for duration in hours
- Improvement of DRG codes according to Swedish approach
- RTC and ICD columns are redundant in logic table (will be linked to #813 - Changes required in NordDRG to...)
Each issue needs a separate discussion. Further developments depends on national needs as well.
The ticket remains further active. Countries are invited to share their thoughts on issues listed above..
Kristiina Kahur
(Edited)
Nordic Casemix Center/Kristiina Kahur 12-8-2026
Updated list of potential development areas and their status is attached. This will be further discussed in EG meeting.
- Attachment List of development issues update as of Autumn 2026.docx added
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Kristiina Kahur
2026-09-02 Expert group
List of potential development issues were discussed in the meeting. Multiple issues are related to implementation of ICD-11 and we get back to this once the transition to ICD-11 has taken place.
Countries' reflections and decisions concerning following non-ICD-11 related issues:
- Extra columns in the table drglogic for the patient’s functionality or for severity of illness and other factors - in general it might be useful in the future, however, there is no readiness and agreed conditions at the moment to integrate these variables into the grouping logic.
- Duration in hours (mainly concerns procedures) - we should start to investigate how it is done in Denmark and potentially in other countries to see how they use this variable and whether it is possible to integrate also in NordDRG system
- RTC and ICD columns in the table drglogic - ICD is used and cannot be removed. RTC is not used in SWE version, but they are in other countries and therefore we cannot remove the RTC column.
- Column “sex” in the table drglogic - “sex” as a variable is not used directly as a grouping variable and therefore the column is redundant in the drglogic table. However, it is used by the grouper source code to allow correct grouping to MDC 12 and 13 DRGs. No changes will be done at the moment. Once a decision to remove “sex” column from the drglogic table will be made, it will be linked to the changes related to ICD-11 when different other changes in def.tables (incl drglogic) would be needed anyway.
This case remains further active.

