Martti Virtanen
2022-02-20 Martti Virtanen
We do not have any COMPL with J. There were originally some, but in the CC-process these were turned to active major complication categoeries with M.
If I remember correctly we though that it was not logical demand an activation in cases causing major increase in resource use. Anyway, they do not exist in NDMS.
Kristiina Kahur
2022-03-18 Expert Group
It was decided during EG meeting that this issue will be postponed since it needs thorough analysis. Sweden will do analysis (in cooperation with IT experts) and gets back to EG to discuss the results.
This case remains open.
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Kristiina Kahur
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Kristiina Kahur
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Kristiina Kahur
2023-03-09 Expert Group
This case in linked to #822 .
Given that the introduction of ICD-11 and ICHI will require changes in NDMS, grouper and def.tables, this change will be done once the actions concerning the transition to ICD-11 and ICHI will be taken.
Until then, this case remains further active.
Kristiina Kahur
Nordic Casemix Center/Kristiina Kahur 22-1-2025
Even though this case is related to the changes concerning the transition to ICD-11, there is a need for a thorough analysis from clinical and economical point of view how two or more diagnosis codes with CC would generate MCC feature and grouping a case into DRG with MCC.
Currently, the amount of diagnosis codes with CC per case does not affect the grouping to DRG with MCC. Instead the variable COMPL with ‘G’ in the middle is decisive.
As this task was initiated by Sweden, I would like Swedish colleagues to have a look at this and assess the need for this change (whether in short or long run) and your capacity to conduct the analysis.
I also encourage other countries to have a look at the initial suggestion and provide your feedback if any thoughts or comments.
Kristiina Kahur
Nordic Casemix Center/Kristiina Kahur 22-1-2025
Attached is a document for your information (and possibly inspiration) that describes the technical aspects of the Australian Refined DRG (AR-DRG) system, including the methodology for determining clinical complexity, known as the Episode Clinical Complexity (ECC) Model (see Chapter 4). Compared to the NordDRG system, the approach to calculating complexity levels and how they influence complexity at the DRG level is different—and more intricate.
Source of the document https://www.ihacpa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2022-08/AR-DRG%20Version%2010.0%20Technical%20Specifications_0.pdf
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Lotta Sokka
2025-03-11 Expert group
The case was discussed in the meeting. The ticket remains further active, waiting for further analysis from Sweden.
Lotta Sokka
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Mats Fernström
Mats Fernström, the National Board of Health and Welfare, Sweden, 2025-03-18 (SWE ID C926)
We have done a rough analysis to see how the number of secondary diagnoses with CC property affects the costs of care, see the Excel file “Preliminary analysis”.
The sheet “General summary” indicates that there must be at least three secondary diagnoses with CC property to make the episode as expensive as an MCC DRG. However, it is not possible to use this simple method by just counting number of diagnoses with CC property in the grouping logic, because the figures can differ from DRG to DRG, as you can see in the sheet “Summary per DRG in MDC 01”.
I think that we must go on with a much deeper analysis and try to find out what combinations of complication categories (DGCAT values) that will increase the costs so much that the episode should be grouped to a MCC DRG instead of a CC DRG.
Sweden will try to do such an analysis because I think that we are the only nation that uses DRGs of the type MCC (very complicated) all over. This much deeper analysis will take months to do.
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Kristiina Kahur
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Nordic Casemix Centre/Kristiina Kahur 2025-03-24
Thank you for the preliminary analysis.
As mentioned earlier, Australian approach can be used as a reference or at least have a look at how they use the secondary diagnosis codes to determine the complexity level of each DRG depending on the secondary diagnoses codes per episode.
Looking forward to seeing the results of the further analysis.
Kristiina Kahur
2025-09-02 Expert group
This case was discussed during EG meeting. Currently MCC level DRGs are used in Sweden and Finland, very few in Estonia and Latvia and no MCC DRGs in Iceland and Norway.
There have not been any further updates from Sweden due to complexity of this issue.
This case will remain active for further updates.