Kristiina Kahur
Nordic Casemix Centre/Kristiina Kahur 22-2-2023
To facilitate the analysis in other countries, attached is the mapping of NOR codes KEB06K, KEB06G, KEX03 and KEX06 to NCSP+ codes, respective procedure codes in other national versions and the features of the codes.
One question concerns removal of OR 2 from procedure code KEB06G (KESB00 Biopsy of prostate). There is no ‘IN’ row for OR value. Do you consider adding one? In NDMS, code KEB06G (KESB00 Biopsy of prostate) has OR 1 value. Other features differ in NOR version from other countries features.
DRG 812P (812NP Minor lower urinary tract procedure, short therapy) is used only in NOR and ICE version. Based on DRG logic, DRG 812P is using PROCPR 12O01 Minor male productive system procedures (also used only In ICE and NOR version) which has given to following NCSP+ codes:
| KBFB00 | Urodynamic investigation of ureter |
| KDFD00 | Uroflowmetry |
| KDFD03 | Urethral pressure profilometry |
| KDFD06 | Physiologic investigation of micturition |
| KDXX00 | Dilatation of urethra |
| KEXX00 | Prostate needle biopsy |
| KEXX02 | Prostate needle biopsy for cytology |
| KFSA40 | Incision of scrotum |
| KFSD51 | Percutaneous endoscopic resection or closure of spermatic vein |
| KFXX00 | Testis needle biopsy |
| KFXX02 | Testis needle biopsy for cytology |
| KFXX30 | Epididymis puncture |
| KFXX60 | Scrotum puncture |
| KGF000 | Penile vascular flow measurements |
| KGF002 | Cavernosometry |
| KGF010 | Electromyography of corpus cavernosum |
| KGF990 | Other examination of erection physiology |
| KGSB00 | Biopsy of penis |
| KGSD20 | Destruction of lesion of skin of penis |
| KGSH00 | Suture of penis |
| KGXG00 | Artificial induction of erection |
| KXXX99 | Other minor procedure in urology |
Other countries can concider adding this DRG 812NP into national versions if the the cost and clinical analysis is supporting this.
- Attachment Case 865 - codes and features.xlsx added
Malle Avarsoo
IN Estonia these cases with mentioned NCSP codes and procprop
| Biopsy of prostate | PROCPR | 11S05 | 1 | FALSE | Transurethral procedures (no prostatectomy) | est/swe/lat/ice/den/fin/nor |
| Biopsy of prostate | PROCPR | 12S08 | 1 | FALSE | Other male reproductive system OR procedure | est/swe/lat/ice/den/fin/nor |
will be grouped in DRG groups ( 11S05 )
310X Transurethral procedures w cc
311X Transurethral procedures w/o cc
311O Transurethral procedures, short therapy
and (12S08) cases into
344X Other male reproductive system o. r. procedures for malignancy
345X Other male reproductive system o. r. procedures except for malignancy
345O Other male reproductive system o. r. procedures, short therapy
These results seem to be clinically correct, if the biopsy of prostate is done in inpatient setting ( and usually it is not the only intervention there ). Relevant information of ambulatory setting procedures is not presented here, as these cases are not grouped in DRG-s.
Adding a new short stay group might be of discussion, although very few cases ( less than 30 ) are found with prostate biopsy only.
Mats Fernström
Mats Fernström, the National Board of Health and Welfare, Sweden, 2023-02-28 (SWE ID C979)
In Sweden, we don’t have the Norwegian problem because we have gathered together this type of procedures (see the list below with plus codes within parenthesis) into a separate group, DRG N75O ‘Biopsi av prostata, penis etc, besök’ (Comb. DRG 843V ‘Ultrasound guided intervention of male genital organs, short therapy’) and that irrespectively of the principal diagnosis.
• KGB00 Biopsi av penis (KGSB00 Biopsy of penis)
• TKE05 Aspirationscytologi av prostate (KEXX02 Prostate needle biopsy for cytology)
• TKE10 Punktionsbiopsi prostata transrectal (KEXX00 Prostate needle biopsy)
• TKE13 Punktionsbiopsi prostata perineal (KEXX00 Prostate needle biopsy)
• TKE20 Fusionsbiopsi prostata transrektal (KEXX00 Prostate needle biopsy)
• TKE23 Fusionsbiopsi prostata perineal (KEXX00 Prostate needle biopsy)
• TKF00 Punktionsbiopsi av testis (KFXX00 Testis needle biopsy)
• TKF05 Aspirationscytologi av testis (KFXX02 Testis needle biopsy for cytology)
• TKF30 Perkutan punktion av epididymis (KFXX30 Epididymis puncture)
In our cost database for the year 2021 we have 13 060 cases in DRG N75O with an average cost of 8 219 SEK. In a cost perspective, the group is rather homogeneous with CV = 59 %.
Lotta Sokka
2023-03-08 Lotta Sokka
In Finland, the cases of prostate biopsy are mainly grouped to DRGs 923O and 912O. From cost point of view the cases do not fit there.
We have analyzed both options, Norwegian and Swedish, and given that we have in Finland DRG 812O Non-extensive procedure of male reproductive system, short therapy, we would like to introduce a separate DRG for prostate, penis etc biopsy as it is done in SWE version (N75O Biopsi av prostata, penis etc, besök). We will use rules of DRG N75O and place them above the current DRG 923O and 912O.
The Finnish name for the new DRG will be Eturauhasen, kiveksen, peniksen jne. biopsia, lyhyt hoito
Malle Avarsoo
Estonia does not need the proposed change, we are happy with the groups we already have.
Kristiina Kahur
2023-03-09 Expert Group
This change was accepted for Norway and Iceland according to the TC suggested by Norway and for Finland according to the approach Sweden is using already. No change for Latvia and Estonia.
The changes in FIN version were made in NDMS. A new DRG 843V was added to FIN version. New rule 112D129959 of DRG 843V was placed above the rule 112D129960 of DRG 912O. All TCs made in NDMS FIN version are attached to this ticket.
At the same time text of DRG 843V in Combined version was corrected. New text is Biopsy of male genital organs, short therapy (old one was Ultrasound guided intervention of male genital organs, short therapy).
As for changes in NOR and ICE version, we need to clarify couple of things before we proceed with making changes in NDMS:
- According to TC Norway suggest to remove OR 2 value from NOR code KEB06G Biopsi av prostata, MR-veiledet (NCSP+ code KESB00 Biopsy of prostate), but no new OR value is added. Currently, in NDMS code KESB00 has OR 1. Would this be ok for code KEB06G/KESB00?
- Two NOR codes are linked to NCSP+ code KESB00: 1) above-mentioned KEB06G and 2) KEB00 Åpen biopsi av prostata. This means that any changes made to code KEB06G will be done also to code KEB00. If this is not acceptable, the mapping needs correction.
This case remains open until we have got the feedback from Norway.
- Attachment TC_865_FIN_NDMS_29032023.xlsx added
Mats Ulvund Paulsberg
For code KEB06G we want to keep it as suggested in the TC, with no new OR value. For code KEB00 we want to keep OR = 1, and the mappings need correction. In Norway KEB00 is called "Open biopsy of prostate" so we think that this code should have OR = 1.
Kristiina Kahur
Nordic Casemix Centre/Kristiina Kahur 8-5-2023
Thank you for feedback.
It was more logical to change the mapping of KEB06G rather than KEB00 in NOR version.
NOR codes KEB06G Biopsi av prostata, MR-veiledetwas and KEX03 Aspirasjonscytologi fra prostata was corrected are mapped now to ncsp+ code KEXX00 Prostate needle biopsy. No changes in mapping of ICE version procedure codes.
TCs made in NDMC/MBC are attached.
Case is closed.
- Attachment TC_865_ICE_NOR_IN_NDMS_MBC_08052023.xlsx added
- Status changed from Active to Closed